[Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

Tue Jun 30 03:05:22 PDT 2015

Thank you so much for support :)

Really, I want to do more with OpenVZ and really want to get new
features from RHEL7 kernel.

And I have full understanding of this very long and deep process. And
we need so huge time (one or two years) for stable RHEL7 release.

Thats why I want to build "test env" in my Company ASAP for help
OpenVZ team with bug hunting and load testing.

But I can't do it without documentation. That's my main complain and
main idea of all this speech.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kristian Marcroft <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I think you are personally expecting to much in to short time.
> Actually I think that most of the stuff shared publicly is not
> finished yet. But you now have the chance to at least look into some
> stuff Odin is doing and maybe even the community can help to create
> documentation.
>
> You will also have to respect, that Odin still has a commercial
> interest behind all of this.
>
> Basically nothing is changing.
>
> The Kernel base of OpenVZ has always been the base for Virtuozzo (or
> the other way round?)
>
> Now Odin is starting to release some tools and more features.
> Instead of bulling them to do more, you should remember that as far as
> I know there are only limited resources provided by Odin and most
> contributions are actually also done in their free time.
>
> Currently, the stable version is CentOS 6 with RHEL-6 based Kernel.
> You can stick with that and just wait until the rest matures.
>
> I do understand you want to use a recent OS such as CentOS 7, but that
> is not ready for use yet. That's what one would call development in
> progress I guess :)
>
> So just give it all a bit more time and all will be fine.
>
> Regards,
> Kristian
>
>
>
> Am 30.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and
>> "it's not working yet".
>>
>> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work".
>>
>> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this
>> time. Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do
>> not like at all.
>>
>> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project".
>>
>> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to
>> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world.
>> And "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project,
>> it's not true open source".
>>
>> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not
>> like steps of Odin company and community manager here.
>>
>> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way
>> to build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code 2) They offer closed
>> source distribution with bunch of crap instead 3) They put bunch of
>> code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os docs, manuals and any
>> help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks and it's really
>> HARD challenge. 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not
>> provide any references "How you can build template manually".
>>
>> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean
>> "doing open source".
>>
>> Open source is:
>>
>> 1) Share ideas 2) Offer help and documentation 3) Mind about
>> community, not about commercial success.
>>
>> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing
>> Virtuozzo better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Kristian Marcroft
>> <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi,
>>
>> CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released. As far
>> as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the
>> RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment.
>>
>> Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will
>> change with Virtuozzo 7. This is what the Versions actually mean.
>>
>> Regards, Kristian
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 30.06.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>>>> Thanks for answer Kristian!
>>>>>
>>>>> But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7
>>>>> here. From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla
>>>>> because "you have used not recommended distribution". It's
>>>>> normal practice for big vendors and I really scary about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kristian Marcroft
>>>>> <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required?
>>>>> You should be able to use CentOS as an OS?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will
>>>>> actually give out recommendations and that Odin will support
>>>>> their recommendations in their commercial Product Virtuozzo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Kristian Marcroft
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 09:57 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>>>>>>> Actually I want to make feature request for ability to
>>>>>>>> run open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro
>>>>>>>> like CentOS or Debian where I can be sure about really
>>>>>>>> _clean_ code from viruses and backdoors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov
>>>>>>>> <pavel.odintsov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello, folks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have just found this article:
>>>>>>>>> https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I enough upset with it because I need to install
>>>>>>>>> Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running
>>>>>>>>> open source OpenVZ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license
>>>>>>>>> for external license.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could buy something from Odin/Parallels but I do
>>>>>>>>> not want to buy additional tools from another company
>>>>>>>>> which is completely not related with OpenVZ project.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov