[Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

Tue Jun 30 03:26:40 PDT 2015

Scott, I could ask you one simple thing. Please read this ticket
https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227 and share your
experience here.

If you think it's OK to offer _official_ templates with bunch of
security issues I could agree with you and revoke all my complains.

But I'm really sure about inadmissibility of issues like this.

That's why I really interested in completely open source _automatic_
template build system for my company.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Pavel Odintsov
<pavel.odintsov at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you so much for support :)
>
> Really, I want to do more with OpenVZ and really want to get new
> features from RHEL7 kernel.
>
> And I have full understanding of this very long and deep process. And
> we need so huge time (one or two years) for stable RHEL7 release.
>
> Thats why I want to build "test env" in my Company ASAP for help
> OpenVZ team with bug hunting and load testing.
>
> But I can't do it without documentation. That's my main complain and
> main idea of all this speech.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kristian Marcroft <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I think you are personally expecting to much in to short time.
>> Actually I think that most of the stuff shared publicly is not
>> finished yet. But you now have the chance to at least look into some
>> stuff Odin is doing and maybe even the community can help to create
>> documentation.
>>
>> You will also have to respect, that Odin still has a commercial
>> interest behind all of this.
>>
>> Basically nothing is changing.
>>
>> The Kernel base of OpenVZ has always been the base for Virtuozzo (or
>> the other way round?)
>>
>> Now Odin is starting to release some tools and more features.
>> Instead of bulling them to do more, you should remember that as far as
>> I know there are only limited resources provided by Odin and most
>> contributions are actually also done in their free time.
>>
>> Currently, the stable version is CentOS 6 with RHEL-6 based Kernel.
>> You can stick with that and just wait until the rest matures.
>>
>> I do understand you want to use a recent OS such as CentOS 7, but that
>> is not ready for use yet. That's what one would call development in
>> progress I guess :)
>>
>> So just give it all a bit more time and all will be fine.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kristian
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 30.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and
>>> "it's not working yet".
>>>
>>> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work".
>>>
>>> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this
>>> time. Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do
>>> not like at all.
>>>
>>> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project".
>>>
>>> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to
>>> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world.
>>> And "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project,
>>> it's not true open source".
>>>
>>> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not
>>> like steps of Odin company and community manager here.
>>>
>>> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way
>>> to build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code 2) They offer closed
>>> source distribution with bunch of crap instead 3) They put bunch of
>>> code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os docs, manuals and any
>>> help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks and it's really
>>> HARD challenge. 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not
>>> provide any references "How you can build template manually".
>>>
>>> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean
>>> "doing open source".
>>>
>>> Open source is:
>>>
>>> 1) Share ideas 2) Offer help and documentation 3) Mind about
>>> community, not about commercial success.
>>>
>>> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing
>>> Virtuozzo better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Kristian Marcroft
>>> <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi,
>>>
>>> CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released. As far
>>> as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the
>>> RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment.
>>>
>>> Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will
>>> change with Virtuozzo 7. This is what the Versions actually mean.
>>>
>>> Regards, Kristian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>>>>> Thanks for answer Kristian!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7
>>>>>> here. From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla
>>>>>> because "you have used not recommended distribution". It's
>>>>>> normal practice for big vendors and I really scary about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kristian Marcroft
>>>>>> <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required?
>>>>>> You should be able to use CentOS as an OS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will
>>>>>> actually give out recommendations and that Odin will support
>>>>>> their recommendations in their commercial Product Virtuozzo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards, Kristian Marcroft
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 09:57 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>>>>>>>> Actually I want to make feature request for ability to
>>>>>>>>> run open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro
>>>>>>>>> like CentOS or Debian where I can be sure about really
>>>>>>>>> _clean_ code from viruses and backdoors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov
>>>>>>>>> <pavel.odintsov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello, folks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have just found this article:
>>>>>>>>>> https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And I enough upset with it because I need to install
>>>>>>>>>> Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running
>>>>>>>>>> open source OpenVZ.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license
>>>>>>>>>> for external license.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could buy something from Odin/Parallels but I do
>>>>>>>>>> not want to buy additional tools from another company
>>>>>>>>>> which is completely not related with OpenVZ project.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov