[Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

Tue Jun 30 02:55:22 PDT 2015

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Hi,

I think you are personally expecting to much in to short time.
Actually I think that most of the stuff shared publicly is not
finished yet. But you now have the chance to at least look into some
stuff Odin is doing and maybe even the community can help to create
documentation.

You will also have to respect, that Odin still has a commercial
interest behind all of this.

Basically nothing is changing.

The Kernel base of OpenVZ has always been the base for Virtuozzo (or
the other way round?)

Now Odin is starting to release some tools and more features.
Instead of bulling them to do more, you should remember that as far as
I know there are only limited resources provided by Odin and most
contributions are actually also done in their free time.

Currently, the stable version is CentOS 6 with RHEL-6 based Kernel.
You can stick with that and just wait until the rest matures.

I do understand you want to use a recent OS such as CentOS 7, but that
is not ready for use yet. That's what one would call development in
progress I guess :)

So just give it all a bit more time and all will be fine.

Regards,
Kristian

Am 30.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and
> "it's not working yet".
> 
> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work".
> 
> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this
> time. Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do
> not like at all.
> 
> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project".
> 
> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to 
> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world.
> And "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project,
> it's not true open source".
> 
> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not
> like steps of Odin company and community manager here.
> 
> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way
> to build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code 2) They offer closed
> source distribution with bunch of crap instead 3) They put bunch of
> code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os docs, manuals and any
> help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks and it's really
> HARD challenge. 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not
> provide any references "How you can build template manually".
> 
> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean 
> "doing open source".
> 
> Open source is:
> 
> 1) Share ideas 2) Offer help and documentation 3) Mind about
> community, not about commercial success.
> 
> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing
> Virtuozzo better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Kristian Marcroft
> <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi,
> 
> CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released. As far
> as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the 
> RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment.
> 
> Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will
> change with Virtuozzo 7. This is what the Versions actually mean.
> 
> Regards, Kristian
> 
> 
> 
> Am 30.06.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>>> Thanks for answer Kristian!
>>>> 
>>>> But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7
>>>> here. From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla
>>>> because "you have used not recommended distribution". It's
>>>> normal practice for big vendors and I really scary about it.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kristian Marcroft 
>>>> <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required?
>>>> You should be able to use CentOS as an OS?
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will
>>>> actually give out recommendations and that Odin will support
>>>> their recommendations in their commercial Product Virtuozzo.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, Kristian Marcroft
>>>> 
>>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 09:57 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>>>>>> Actually I want to make feature request for ability to
>>>>>>> run open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro
>>>>>>> like CentOS or Debian where I can be sure about really
>>>>>>> _clean_ code from viruses and backdoors.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov 
>>>>>>> <pavel.odintsov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello, folks!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have just found this article: 
>>>>>>>> https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And I enough upset with it because I need to install 
>>>>>>>> Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running
>>>>>>>> open source OpenVZ.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license
>>>>>>>> for external license.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I could buy something from Odin/Parallels but I do
>>>>>>>> not want to buy additional tools from another company
>>>>>>>> which is completely not related with OpenVZ project.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That's all.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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