[Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

[Pavel Odintsov]

I do not want to be not polite. And I'm so sorry if somebody take
offense by my speech.

Sorry, folks!

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Scott Dowdle <dowdle at montanalinux.org> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and "it's
>> not working yet".
>>
>> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work".
>>
>> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this time.
>> Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do not like
>> at all.
>>
>> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project".
>>
>> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to
>> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world. And
>> "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project, it's
>> not true open source".
>>
>> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not like
>> steps of Odin company and community manager here.
>>
>> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way to
>> build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code
>> 2) They offer closed source distribution with bunch of crap instead
>> 3) They put bunch of code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os
>> docs, manuals and any help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks
>> and it's really HARD challenge.
>> 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not provide any references
>> "How you can build template manually".
>>
>> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean
>> "doing open source".
>>
>> Open source is:
>>
>> 1) Share ideas
>> 2) Offer help and documentation
>> 3) Mind about community, not about commercial success.
>>
>> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing Virtuozzo
>> better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad.
>
> I find your lack of knowkedge and history (at least as you have articulated your position in this thread) insulting and somewhat offensive.
>
> OpenVZ has been around for a long time... almost a decade in fact.  It started off with an EL4-based kernel (EOL'ed now)... then EL5-based kerne (still supported)... then EL6-based kernel (still supported and the current stable platform)... and they are working on the EL7-based platform.
>
> There have been a number of issues between the OpenVZ Project and the commercial project it comes from as explained rather well in this video (als mentioned in my last post):
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylNX4gEIJEc
>
> Yes the direction ahead looks to be a bumpy one but it makes a lot of sense to me... and that road ahead is the merging of the OpenVZ Project with the open sourcing of much of the Virtuozzo stuff... bringing the two projects closer together... and making it easier for folks to migrate from one to the other if desired.
>
> How long before the EL7-based setup is done and deemed "stable" and the preferred platform over the current EL6-based one?  No idea... but yeah, they continue to maintain the EL6-based stable setup and all of the source code is available for it.
>
> I think your problem is that you have somehow gotten confused and think that OpenVZ/Odin is pushing the EL7-based branch as the stable / preferred platform now... and that is in no way the case at all.
>
> So far as documentation is concerned... it is not uncommon for a project in the development stages to not have manuals... and even when they have gone stable... to not have much documentation.  I believe OpenVZ has had rather good (but not perfect) documentation for EL4, EL5, and EL6... and it remains to be seen how that will turn out for EL7.  If the commercial oriented side of the project (that has been doing the vast majority of the work on the EL7 effort) can't get good docs for the EL7 stuff done... then of course it is up to the community to take a run at it.
>
> TYL,
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-- 
Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov