[Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

Tue Jun 30 05:03:13 PDT 2015

Hi Pavel,

We are working on giving OpenVZ users an ability to build own vz templates.

The problem is typical for switch from closed source - build scheme for
them is not suitable for wide use by anybody. So, we are defining new,
simpler, scheme for templates creation.

First step is done - https://src.openvz.org/projects/OVZT/repos
These are templates' "spec" repositories, which defines rules of
a template creation.

Next step is to prepare a guide, how to build template out of such
repository.

So, please,  be patient - and give us some time.

Thank you,
Dima.

On 30/06/15 13:26, "Pavel Odintsov" <pavel.odintsov at gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott, I could ask you one simple thing. Please read this ticket
>https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227 and share your
>experience here.
>
>If you think it's OK to offer _official_ templates with bunch of
>security issues I could agree with you and revoke all my complains.
>
>But I'm really sure about inadmissibility of issues like this.
>
>That's why I really interested in completely open source _automatic_
>template build system for my company.
>
>On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Pavel Odintsov
><pavel.odintsov at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you so much for support :)
>>
>> Really, I want to do more with OpenVZ and really want to get new
>> features from RHEL7 kernel.
>>
>> And I have full understanding of this very long and deep process. And
>> we need so huge time (one or two years) for stable RHEL7 release.
>>
>> Thats why I want to build "test env" in my Company ASAP for help
>> OpenVZ team with bug hunting and load testing.
>>
>> But I can't do it without documentation. That's my main complain and
>> main idea of all this speech.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kristian Marcroft <KriS at kwm-web.info>
>>wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think you are personally expecting to much in to short time.
>>> Actually I think that most of the stuff shared publicly is not
>>> finished yet. But you now have the chance to at least look into some
>>> stuff Odin is doing and maybe even the community can help to create
>>> documentation.
>>>
>>> You will also have to respect, that Odin still has a commercial
>>> interest behind all of this.
>>>
>>> Basically nothing is changing.
>>>
>>> The Kernel base of OpenVZ has always been the base for Virtuozzo (or
>>> the other way round?)
>>>
>>> Now Odin is starting to release some tools and more features.
>>> Instead of bulling them to do more, you should remember that as far as
>>> I know there are only limited resources provided by Odin and most
>>> contributions are actually also done in their free time.
>>>
>>> Currently, the stable version is CentOS 6 with RHEL-6 based Kernel.
>>> You can stick with that and just wait until the rest matures.
>>>
>>> I do understand you want to use a recent OS such as CentOS 7, but that
>>> is not ready for use yet. That's what one would call development in
>>> progress I guess :)
>>>
>>> So just give it all a bit more time and all will be fine.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kristian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>>> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and
>>>> "it's not working yet".
>>>>
>>>> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work".
>>>>
>>>> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this
>>>> time. Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do
>>>> not like at all.
>>>>
>>>> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project".
>>>>
>>>> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to
>>>> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world.
>>>> And "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project,
>>>> it's not true open source".
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not
>>>> like steps of Odin company and community manager here.
>>>>
>>>> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way
>>>> to build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code 2) They offer closed
>>>> source distribution with bunch of crap instead 3) They put bunch of
>>>> code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os docs, manuals and any
>>>> help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks and it's really
>>>> HARD challenge. 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not
>>>> provide any references "How you can build template manually".
>>>>
>>>> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean
>>>> "doing open source".
>>>>
>>>> Open source is:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Share ideas 2) Offer help and documentation 3) Mind about
>>>> community, not about commercial success.
>>>>
>>>> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing
>>>> Virtuozzo better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Kristian Marcroft
>>>> <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi,
>>>>
>>>> CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released. As far
>>>> as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the
>>>> RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will
>>>> change with Virtuozzo 7. This is what the Versions actually mean.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Kristian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>>>>>> Thanks for answer Kristian!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7
>>>>>>> here. From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla
>>>>>>> because "you have used not recommended distribution". It's
>>>>>>> normal practice for big vendors and I really scary about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kristian Marcroft
>>>>>>> <KriS at kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required?
>>>>>>> You should be able to use CentOS as an OS?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will
>>>>>>> actually give out recommendations and that Odin will support
>>>>>>> their recommendations in their commercial Product Virtuozzo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards, Kristian Marcroft
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 09:57 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
>>>>>>>>>> Actually I want to make feature request for ability to
>>>>>>>>>> run open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro
>>>>>>>>>> like CentOS or Debian where I can be sure about really
>>>>>>>>>> _clean_ code from viruses and backdoors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov
>>>>>>>>>> <pavel.odintsov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, folks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have just found this article:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And I enough upset with it because I need to install
>>>>>>>>>>> Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running
>>>>>>>>>>> open source OpenVZ.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license
>>>>>>>>>>> for external license.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could buy something from Odin/Parallels but I do
>>>>>>>>>>> not want to buy additional tools from another company
>>>>>>>>>>> which is completely not related with OpenVZ project.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>> Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov
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