[Devel] Re: Containers and /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches

[Matt Helsley]

On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 07:46:17PM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn at canonical.com> wrote:
> > Quoting Daniel Lezcano (daniel.lezcano at free.fr):
> >> On 01/05/2011 10:40 AM, Mike Hommey wrote:
> >> >[Copy/pasted from a previous message to lkml, where it was suggested to
> >> >  try containers@]
> >> >
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >I noticed that from within a lxc container, writing "3" to
> >> >/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches would flush the host page cache. That sounds a
> >> >little dangerous for VPS offerings that would be based on lxc, as in one
> >> >VPS instance root user could impact the overall performance of the host.
> >> >I don't know about other containers but I've been told openvz isn't
> >> >subject to this problem.
> >> >I only tested the current Debian Squeeze kernel, which is based on
> >> >2.6.32.27.
> >>
> >> There is definitively a big work to do with /proc.
> >>
> >> Some files should be not accessible (/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches,
> >> /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq, ...) and some other should be virtualized
> >> (/proc/meminfo, /proc/cpuinfo, ...).
> >>
> >> Serge suggested to create something similar to the cgroup device
> >> whitelist but for /proc, maybe it is a good approach for denying
> >> access a specific proc's file.
> >
> > Long-term, user namespaces should fix this - /proc will be owned
> > by the user namespace which mounted it, but we can tell proc to
> > always have some files (like drop_caches) be owned by init_user_ns.
> >
> > I'm hoping to push my final targeted capabilities prototype in the
> > next few weeks, and after that I start seriously attacking VFS
> > interaction.
> >
> > In the meantime, though, you can use SELinux/Smack, or a custom
> > cgroup file does sound useful.  Can cgroups be modules nowadays?
> > (I can't keep up)  If so, an out of tree proc-cgroup module seems
> > like a good interim solution.
> >
> 
> Ideally a drop_cache should drop page cache in that container, but
> given container have a lot of shared page cache, what is suggested
> might be a good way to work around the problem

One gross hack that comes to mind: Instead of a hard permission model
limit the frequency with which the container could actually drop caches.
Then the container's ability to interfere with host performance is more
limited (but still non-zero). Or limit frequency on a per-user basis
(more like Serge's design) because running more containers by a
compromised user account shouldn't allow more frequent cache dropping.

That said, the more important question is why should we provide
drop_caches inside a container? My understanding is it's largely a
workload-debugging tool and not something meant to truly solve
problems. If that's the case then we shouldn't provide it at all or it
should actually interfere with the host cache.

Cheers,
	-Matt Helsley
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