[Devel] Re: [patch -mm 09/17] nsproxy: add namespace flags

[Eric W. Biederman]

Cedric Le Goater <clg at fr.ibm.com> writes:

> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Cedric Le Goater <clg at fr.ibm.com> writes:
>> 
>>>>>  /*
>>>>> + * namespaces flags
>>>>> + */
>>>>> +#define NS_MNT		0x00000001
>>>>> +#define NS_UTS		0x00000002
>>>>> +#define NS_IPC		0x00000004
>>>>> +#define NS_PID		0x00000008
>>>>> +#define NS_NET		0x00000010
>>>>> +#define NS_USER		0x00000020
>>>>> +#define NS_ALL		(NS_MNT|NS_UTS|NS_IPC|NS_PID|NS_NET|NS_USER)
>>>> hmm, why _another_ set of flags to refer to the
>>>> namespaces?
>>> well, because namespaces are a new kind in the kernel
>> 
>> Gratuitous incompatibility.
>
> ?

Changing the numbers for no good reason.  We can easily keep the existing numbers.

>>>> is the clone()/unshare() set of flags not sufficient
>>>> for that?
>>> because we are reaching the limits of the CLONE_ flags.
>> 
>> Not really.   There are at least 8 bits that clone cannot use
>> but that unshare can.
>
> please, could you list them ? 

CSIGNAL.  There are a several others as well that will never mean anything
in an unshare context:

I believe the 10 flags below are also nonsense from an unshare perspective.
CLONE_PTRACE		0x00002000
CLONE_VFORK		0x00004000
CLONE_PARENT		0x00008000
CLONE_SETTLS		0x00080000
CLONE_PARENT_SETTID	0x00100000
CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID	0x00200000
CLONE_DETACHED		0x00400000
CLONE_UNTRACED		0x00800000
CLONE_CHILD_SETTID	0x01000000
CLONE_STOPPED		0x02000000

>>>> if so, shouldn't we switch (or even better change?
>>>> the unshare() too) to a new set of syscalls?
>>> unshare_ns() is a new syscall and we don't really need a
>>> clone anyway. nop ?
>> 
>> Huh?  Clone should be the primary.   There are certain namespaces
>> that it are very hard to unshare, without creating a new process.
>
> You just said above that clone had less available flags than
> unshare ...

I did.  It is just easier to support clone than unshare.

> anyway, could you elaborate a bit more ? I have the opposite 
> feeling and you gave me that impression also a few month ago. 
>
> No problem for me, i just want a way to use this stuff without

My feeling is basically that there are some things that we
can do much more cleanly at process creation time.

>From an implementation standpoint unshare is fairly nasty because
it keeps things from being invariants across the lifetime of a
process.  Which means it contains more races and is harder to support.
That's why we can't unshare we can share with clone right now.

Eric
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