[Devel] RE: i2o hardware hangs (ASR-2010S)

Salyzyn, Mark mark_salyzyn at adaptec.com
Tue Aug 8 05:44:42 PDT 2006

I had sent you the driver source in a previous email, I am sending it
again. Please keep me in the loop since latest model kernels (we have
customers that confirm 2.6.16) may require changes in the driver to

Since the kernel.org policy is to focus on the i2o driver being beefed
up, no patches or changes are accepted for the dpt_i2o driver into the
kernel. Sad that we had just finished a stint beefing up the dpt_i2o
driver just before that decision was made ...

The comments about error recovery were meant as a starting point, it
looks like Markus will have the final say.

As for the timeouts, I referred to DASD (Disk) targets. 3 minute for
RAID devices in a rolling timeout  is used to deal with situations that
require a complete spin up of all component drives, or to deal with
worst case error recovery scenarios. Individual DASD targets, on the
other hand, should report back within 30 seconds for I/O. None DASD
targets are all direct, and thus should respect any timeouts set by the
system (if any).

Sincerely -- Mark Salyzyn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vasily Averin [mailto:vvs at sw.ru] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:48 AM
> To: Salyzyn, Mark
> Cc: Markus Lidel; devel at openvz.org
> Subject: Re: i2o hardware hangs (ASR-2010S)
> Mark,
> Salyzyn, Mark wrote:
> > Vasily, it will necessarily be up to you as to whether you switch to
> > dpt_i2o to get the hardening you require today, or work out 
> a deal with
> > Markus to add timeout/reset functionality to the i2o driver.
> Of course, you are right. Currently our customers have bad 2 
> alternatives:
> - be tolerate to these hangs
> - if they can't bear it -- replace i2o hardware
> Therefore first at all I'm going to add third possible 
> alternative, dpt_i2o driver.
> Mark, could you please send me latest version of your driver 
> directly? Or can I
> probably take it from mainstream?
> The next task is help Markus in i2o error/reset handler 
> implementation.
> > My recommendations for the i2o driver reset procedure is to use a
> > rolling timeout, every new command completion resets the 
> global timer.
> > This will allow starved or long commands to process. Once 
> the timer hits
> > 3 minutes for RAID (Block or SCSI) targets that have multiple
> > inheritances, 30 seconds for SCSI DASD targets, or some 
> insmod tunable,
> > it resets the adapter. I recommend that when we hit ten 
> seconds, or some
> > insmod tunable, that we call a card specific health check 
> routine. I do
> > not recommend health check polling because we have noticed 
> a reduction
> > in Adapter performance in some systems and generic i2o cards would
> > require a command to check, so that is why I tie it to the 
> ten seconds
> > past last completion. For the DPT/Adaptec series of 
> adapters, it checks
> > the BlinkLED status (code fragment in dpt_i2o driver at
> > adpt_read_blink_led), and if set, immediately record the 
> fact and resets
> > the adapter. For cards other than the DPT/Adaptec series, I 
> recommend a
> > short timeout Get Status request to see if the Firmware is in a run
> > state and is responsive to this simple command. The reset 
> code will need
> > to retry all commands itself, I do not believe the block 
> system has an
> > error status that can be used for it to retry the commands. 
> If the Reset
> > Iop in the reset adapter code is unresponsive, then the 
> known targets
> > need to be placed offline.
> Sorry, I do not have your big experience in scsi and do not 
> know nothing in i2o.
> However are you sure than 3 min is enough for timeout? As far 
> as I know some
> scsi commands (for example rewind on tapes) can last during a 
> very long time.
> Also I have some other questions but currently I'm not fell 
> that I'm ready for
> this discussion.
> Thank you,
> 	Vasily Averin
> SWsoft Virtuozzo/OpenVZ Linux kernel team
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