[Debian] Re: Possibility of getting openvz problem included in stable?

Ola Lundqvist ola at inguza.com
Mon Jun 20 12:58:59 EDT 2011


Hi Maks

Thanks for the clarifications. Yes it is true that I have not followed  
the GIT tree very well. I got the impression that you were handling  
most of the openvz things in the Debian kernel, so that is why I asked  
you instead of digging into this myself. I do now understand that you  
were not involved into the openvz branch as much as I thought and I  
should put in more effort on this myself. Good to know.

Some further comments below.

Quoting "maximilian attems" <max at stro.at>:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 04:52:56PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
>>
>> >we have pretty much allways synced with available openvz git.
>> >(see 2.6.26 history and 2.6.32 history)
>> >uploads are not immediate as we have a different schedule.
>>
>> I understand that this is the case before the release. However after
>> the release only security updates are there, unless there is a point
>> release to be planned. That is at least the case for all other
>> packages in Debian.
>
> openvz linux image do not have stable ABI.
> this allows us more easily to update the patchset ones an update
> or fix comes up.
>
> If you'd really looked at the past, you'd see that concerning for
> 2.6.32 we are totally synced with openvz git and for 2.6.26 to 99%,
> where the missing 1% were irrelevant for the Debian images.

Ok.

>> >also please next time do at least the *effort* of asking the openvz
>> >guys instead of just forwarding my rants on stupid questions. a little
>> >effort from your side would really be appreciated.
>>
>> I do not understand this comment actually. I thought you wanted
>> better support from openvz project. This is what you wrote in the
>> email to me. Kir is the project manager for that project and the one
>> I'm in contact with normally.
>> This is why I asked him to help with what you complained about.
>
> I get annoyed by the questions you seem to reask and your
> assessments. Also the pattern of unedited fwd is just to common.

I can not recall I have asked this question before. If that is the  
case, I'm sorry. The reason why I asked is that this one was on my  
todo list to ask.

>> And about stupid question: All I did was to ask a question to you,
>> and what I got back was a angry email stating that openvz project
>> behaves badly, and now I get another angry email stating that I have
>> not put in any effort. I'm sorry if that is the impression you get.
>> Sorry about that, but I do really not understand what you are so
>> upset about.
>
> No angry mail, just a reflection of the current state of affairs.
In that case I misinterpreted you. When people tell that my questions  
are stupid I (obviously wrong assumption) that someone is angry or  
upset.

> It seems you never cloned the openvz git tree nor follow it.
> This git tree is currently unmaintained and as such risky for any user.
>
>> If it is so that you do not have time to look into this yourself, I
>> have no problem if you simply write that. Just let me know that
>> (without all the angry tone) and I'll try to help as much as I can.
>
> please do the minimum of research that is a git clone of
> 	git://git.openvz.org/pub/linux-2.6.32-openvz
>
> If you see no movements there, but lots of stable releases piling up
> and you see new 2.6.32 openvz RH release politely ask the openvz guys
> themselves

I can do that now when it is something that is expected by you.

> and not me why the fuck nothing happens.

Well it was really not the intention from me that you should get the  
impression that I asked "why the fuck nothing happens". I quote from  
my original question to you:
----------
The upstream have solved a kernel crash issue. See
http://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1866

Do you think it would be possible to get 042stab017 stable?

I think it is rather important thing to solve.

Do you want me to report this as a Debian bug report as well
or is it enough to refer to the openvz bug?
------------

As you can see my questions were rather polite. I asked if you thought  
it would be possible to include it or not. I even asked if you wanted  
me to file a Debian specific bug report about this. Maybe that is the  
part you mis-interpreted. It was not my intention to be rude. It was a  
polite question actually.

Thanks,

// Ola

> thank you.
>
> --
> maks
>
>



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